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Saturday, January 2, 2016

Reality of Forgiveness



A couple of days ago I saw my sister.  We were in the doctor's office, a new doctor I will be seeing, and she will be too.  So now we will have the same doctor.  She saw me first.  DH and I were walking in, and she was staring at me the whole time.  I finally said, "hello,"  She piped in with a hello, and how are you doing, how was my Christmas, as I was sitting down.  I said a simple hello, for she was just staring, and I didn't know what else to do.

I asked her, "Why are you asking, why do you care?  You said you wanted nothing to do with me, you are all about mother, and you told me to get lost?"

Now this is not unusual for my sister, to pretend everything is normal, who can turn on a dime, I can't.  However, I do know that she is not narcissistic, she has a soul but you could beat the crap out of her, and you still won't get the real authentic person who hides in there, so this has got to be the way its got to be.

At one point in time, we have all put ourselves there, unfortunately it is only up to each one of us to get the hell out.  The NP ties you down from birth and makes sure that you stay there.  Either you become one of them, or you go crazy, there is nothing else that they want.but that supreme control.  If you didn't become narcissistic yourself, or went completely crazy, and I mean crazy as in institutionalized, forever "gone", that is a very rare thing.  Think about it.  These "parents" had you straight from birth, they could do anything that they wanted with you.  You somehow awoken.  That is so big and so huge I can't even tell you.

Now, I did not answer my sister's questions.  I was not going to discuss my Christmas.  Any chance this was going to go to mother, was strong.  I know my sister's questions were sincere, she was only wanting to know how I was doing, and she did actually care.   So I really felt bad about giving her the cold shoulder, in front of people, but there was no other way.  We don't stand a chance of a bonding relationship, due to mother's tie in.  Any info on me will give the narcissist an in.  And we all know how well that goes.  Any info on me will be used against me, and I can't chance that.  Maybe after mother is dead, but who knows?  Maybe not even then, for my sister might be too far gone.  Like I said, it is next to impossible to survive.

I know what they are saying to eachother.  That I should be forgiving and continue to allow mother to abuse me, for it is what she does and no one will do anything about it.  But I am made to be wrong. Even in Christian circles, this is what I should be doing, but I have another take on the matter.

As much as this hurts, I know that to forgive mother means that I will have to stuff all my feelings down, and go along with the idea that what mother did doesn't matter, she was in the right, and that anything that came after, such as abuse throughout my life doesn't matter either, and basically that I don't count.  I am to take all that and say it doesn't matter.

When we are to forgive, the bible teaches us, that it is a "brother".  What we perceive a brother to be, and it means that we are only to forgive real people.  And forgiveness is to be real, not fake.  If I am to pretend, which I have done all my life, then I know that my anger will come out in other ways. Ways that are not good, and I can't help that.  I had to go back over my past to find out what it was that made my emotions so screwed up.

And emotionality is made wrong, in society, and in the churches even.  Is it really wrong?  Our emotions is the part where we are really living.  To call it wrong, is dead wrong to me.  I imagine it is like calling your foot wrong.  Or your hand, or anything on your body, is it wrong?  Then why are my emotions wrong?  I believe they are wrong when they are suppressed and we are acting out in ways that are bad.

Take for instance this lady I work with at the food bank.  Lots of pressure she goes through in life, and she tries to hide it.  She doesn't do a very good job at that.  I believe no one does.  We are all frustrated over the lack of funds, and she yelled at me the other day.  Then she was so apologetic, and I wasn't triggered by my anxiety.  I am familiar with anxiety, and I believe she was acting out. Feeling tense.  I used to do that, act out in less than positive ways, for it was my emotions being suppressed, and I wasn't dealing with things very well.

It sucks, for in this world, we have to stuff down emotions, one's that we perceive are bad.  I don't know, I think I have to read that part in the bible again, for I think it doesn't tell us to suppress our emotions.  Just like that lady, I have been in her shoes, I was snapping at people, and I didn't know how to stop it.  I didn't want to snap at people, but I did.  But I know that she did not mean it, and she felt guilty.  I had no problem forgiving her, immediately, it was no problem.  I didn't have to suck up my feelings, in order to be pleasing, it was natural for me to forgive her.  And I wanted to forgive her too, even before she apologized.  Not that I believe that forgiveness is always easy like this, but this was an experience that I personally had, so that is what made it easy.

I don't ever want to be in the position of sucking up my emotions.  There are no wrong emotions. Only in how I deal with it, and it can get really complicated and screwy.  As an engulfed adult child, I have to spend the better part of my day, just feeling.  I do this all the time now, and I find that I am less fleabaggy than ever.  But if I was to forgive mother, in a purely forced state, I would be acting out again.

I can't force myself to stop acting out, it has to be deep seated, and the only way I can do it is to feel all my emotions.  With mother around, this would never be allowed.  She has all the say, and that is to pound me into the ground.  And my sister is doing that.  She is doing that to herself, and her children, and her children's children.  My sister is forcing everyone to comply and let mother be mother.  Somewhere in that mix, mother will find someone who is worthy to be engulfed, and that is a very sad thing.

I think I did my sister a huge favor, by expressing my vulnerability and saying that it was she who doesn't want anything to do with me.  But she has a different view on the matter, for she believes that it is wrong to ignore mother, and she is not talking to me, for me not talking to mother.

It is tough.  She is my older sister, we used to sleep in the same bed.  She received abuse at the hands of mother too.  And as much as it pains me to tell her to get lost, I know that I am actually doing her a favor.  It might help her awaken, although a very small chance of that happening, so I did my duty. But I don't deny the pain that it caused me.  It probably caused her pain too, but there was no other way, there really wasn't.  Many months, perhaps a year ago, she told me that she would have no other dealings with me if mother was not to be in my life, so be it.  I wasn't going to play the "nice" game, and give her information that would be used against me.  I'm sure she told mother of our meeting, and what I said to her, so there was probably was some smear campaigning, but she has no info, not even about my Christmas, so it can only go so far.  Maybe they'll make up things, and tell to other people, but this, I guess, is the burden an ACON has to live with.

I felt what I said to her was vulnerable on my part.  I had no time to think or react when I saw her.  But I think it was good.  This vulnerability on my part, the part where I said, "You said you didn't want anything to do with me," forced my sister into a corner.  Since she said that, then why is she even talking to me now?

I've been working hard on kicking that evil voice out of my head.  Its liberating but its tiring to say the least.  Sometimes I feel like I wish the day would be over, so I can relax.  I have to remain ever diligent, in making sure, I am not listening and heeding that voice.  It comes to me, and its forever hard to be mindful of it, that is the real challenge.  It is not in my emotions yet to feel safe that I'm not going to be listening.  It takes a great deal of effort.

But I am also aware of the fact that pain like that can only go on for so long.  I am not abandoning my FOO, I am actually liberating them, giving them the truth.  They can do with it what they want.  Even if they say I am abandoning them, that is not the truth.  None of us are abandoning our FOO's.  We are giving them the opportunity to wake up, but unfortunately that will probably never happen, but we did our part.

It is this story we tell ourselves that we actually do have real parents.  We don't.  I like to play that record too, but in doing so I would be lying to myself, and that would be manifested in lots of horrible ways, in my life.  This MN parenting came about, and it wasn't me that made them that way. We like to pretend that in some way, that if I fixed this, or fixed that, somehow our hard work would pay off and we would earn their love.   And nothing could be further from the truth.

If I could earn my mother's love then I would be the most powerful person on the planet.  I would be even better than God.  That is the truth.  There is not that person that I think is there.  She does not exist.  That is why I tend to not believe that narcs are just like drug addicts, they only need supply.  This is hard for me to understand, for that would mean that they are normal people with normal emotions, who can have normal addictions.  And addicts can quit.  Narcs just simply won't.  It is out of range to call this an addiction.

In a way, I feel it is very inappropriate to call it an addiction.  This is just me saying this, and I am not talking for everyone.  I've seen real addicts, who would give anything to recover.  It is not the way of the narcissist.  But sometimes an addict doesn't want to recover, it is only because the addiction is meeting deeper needs, and if only they can find what that is, only then they can recover.  Sorry, down the rabbit hole with that one, kinda interesting though.  What can I say?  Narcissism is not in the same dimension of addiction.

I don't try to understand narcs.  There was a time I was curious about them, about this "false self" but that was only because I like science.  In no way was I trying to "get them".  For mother never did love me.  It didn't mean I wasn't loveable, it only meant that she was the problem.  She didn't hate me for anything I had done.  She just simply hated me, for that is what she is about.

I used to think that at the beginning of my no contact mother was missing me.  That was before my awakening, for mother went no contact with me for I pissed her off and she was trying to teach me a lesson.  So I felt bad.  I felt like I was needing to go apologize for some non-existent thing I did, to make amends.  So I could get mother's approval.  So that she would love me.  For I was worth nothing without mother's approval and love.

No.  She is not sitting in her apartment missing me.  She may be thinking of me, but only in a malicious way.  Any feeling that I have that she is longing for anything but supply is a story I tell myself.  I stopped telling myself that story long ago.  I listen to my heart, and keep the record player out of my head.

It is hard to understand the love of a real parent.  Or of a real person.  That is the danger we all face as ACONs.  We have to learn what that love is.  I know I didn't do everything I needed to do when my kids were growing up.  It was hard.  I failed them lots.  I constantly am aware of that.  But I am also aware that I was a real mom, with real feelings.  It wasn't easy to always express that to them, but it isn't over yet.  I wasn't called to heaven right after my awakening, so my time here is not done.

21 comments:

  1. I hope your sister wasn't doing a version of "forgive and forget on you" You know that thing where narcs expect you to get back in line and they never apologize. Even the non narc enablers and flying monkeys will do this at the bidding of the head narc. They will say things like the SG is having a "hissy fit" while they are gone and expect with time you'll suck it up and get back in line. I am sure that is what mine said.

    My siblings have been so disappointing in the same way, everything is about pleasing Queen Spider and they could care less if I live or die. I am still VLC with my brother but I know he will only call when he has problems or there is something to show off. Even with 4 months in the hospital and lower income, he still was able to post his thousands of dollars present mountain at Christmas. How does someone even GET that much money? Credit even eventually runs out.
    To be frank, I am glad you confronted her. You came out and said it. What was her response if you are okay with sharing it with us?
    I agree either "you become one of them" or "you go crazy". The only third option is not to play and run and go NC. I think of the pod people in my family who are so much alike all obedient and never questioning.
    I think it is a big thing too to wake up out of the fog. I do know I am not going to gingerly protect the feelings of the fellow pods and monkeys. Why?

    You really owe your sister nothing, her blasé politeness doesn't make up for the rejection for your mother. I knew I had to stop paying attention the crumbs, I got thrown they really meant nothing when push came to shove. Both siblings knew how sick I was in 2013 and neither cared, Queenie got first billing.

    I don't believe in forgiving the nonrepentant. I know I am done with that. We spend a life time being told to repress ourselves and give in to them. The Christian churches seem to call out their victims more then them over and over.
    Its true the bible mentions brothers not unrepentant wicked seared people. I keep thinking about the people demanding we be fake and forgive, when it would be a lie.


    The narcissists don't love, I agree with you your mother may think of you but only in an evil malicious way. Mine never missed anyone or "cared" in any real way.

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  2. My sister didn't say anything to me after I confronted her, not a word, there were other people there, so I guess that is why. I expect my sister to have told mother that I was a real b****ch to her. Which I wasn't. She told me to get lost a long time ago. We have no relationship. She has my phone number she can call anytime to find out how I'm doing. That is what she would do if she really cared.

    Mother is horrible, no one wants her around. They are all dancing when she leaves. I have no feelings to express that. I used to be there, but when I found out the truth, about narcissism, I changed. I gave them this information too, freely, and they even agreed with me. But no can do, they will love the unloveable. That is insanity. I have no room in my life for the leftover crumbs. Which they will use against me anyway.

    I am sorry you got horribly treated by your siblings too, for Queenie's sake. Having a sick child drives me crazy, but these creatures use it for supply. And the monkey's know it. I have no tolerance, I told my sister that in front of DH and a couple of other people. I basically told her to stick her "love".

    It does feel horrible because I'm a normal person. I don't wish it to be this way, these freaks make everyone believe I want this.

    I know how the church treats this. If a Christian brother or sister heard that, I would be ostracized, I know that. They don't see it, God has chosen not to reveal evil to them. They think they know what evil is, but they don't. I can't talk about this to anyone. As a result, they are calling out the victims. It is part of a disease in which everyone is being abused, even in very small ways, for everyone wants to "keep the peace."

    I imagine the church ignores a lot of the stuff Jesus did, how rebuking he was, "Oh ye generation of vipers!!!" lol, guess they don't read that part lol. And Jesus was very compassionate, to say the least, and they say that he is our standard to follow.

    A long time ago a Christian rebuked me, doing her duty, and it was to tell me how to live with my abusive ex-husband, as she did with hers. She was in a very volatile relationship! The church needs to wake up. There are so many real people we can help, and the church helps the worst of the evil ones.

    I don't think I can repress my emotions, it comes out in bad ways. It makes me feel badly, then I take it out on the world around me. That is not the behaviour of a true Christian, I don't think so. But I am told to repress my emotions, and still be nice, but I find it impossible.

    Thanks Peep.

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  3. Sorry she didn't say anything but, funny how all the flying monkeys are so hip to social pressures. Drives me nuts.
    I think its sad she cut you off too for going NC. You didn't deserve that. Today is my GCsis birthday. She doesn't care. I got some dead cards acouple years ago. Funny they even admit your mother is horrible but everyone is supposed to kiss her butt.
    Sure I had some agree with me too, they threw me under the bus same as the other ones. Even Aunt Scapegoat would tell me when I was around 20 something was really wrong with my mother. Now she's her slave.

    Yeah they use sick children for supply. Their love is fake.

    Oh the churches blame the estranged. I made the mistake of telling the last without details, I am estranged from the family. No mention of narcissism or abuse, I even mentioned religious differences. I guess I was the devil's daughter, for not having the perfect cookie cutter family. Many of them don't see evil. One thing Ive noticed about the church Christians here with rare exception is these perfect little lives. They seem so sheltered. I kept my mouth shut otherwise but felt like I was knotted up inside like I had too much to hide from the perfect patrols. Yes everyone wants to keep the peace for the wicked. One is thrown away and ignored as they kiss narc butt.

    Yes they ignore a lot of what Jesus taught and the rebuking. Today Jesus would be shamed by the phoney baloneys for saying "vipers" and told to be "positive" and go hug and forgive.

    Most of the churches have become enablers for abusers and the wicked. It's a joke how abused wives are treated. Told it is all their fault. Right now we got Anna Duggar throwing herself on the pyre for an abusive cheater and the church dummies are cheering on.

    I can't repress my emotions either. I guess it gets me in trouble all the time. I can't be like the other robots.

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    1. Dear Peeps, "cookie cutter" so resonates! And the tragedy is, unsaved people KNOW the church is full of fakes, and that's why so many kind-hearted, but yet unsaved, people avoid places (church) where the Gospel is preached.

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  4. It just came pouring out of my mouth, what I told my sister. She looked around the room, and it looked like she felt shame. I know I wasn't supposed to be so verbal with her, but I gotta tell you it felt good. Now maybe some other people could wake up and see how destructive narcissism is, that it even pulls two sisters apart. I really do love my sister.

    Everyone does admit mother is horrible. No one can stand to have her around. My sister has her over, then busies herself around the house, trying to avoid her. That just don't make sense. Mother has no wisdom and she can't give anything but pure hatred. This is a horrible thing to have around.

    A lot of people are sheltered in churches aren't they? Perfect little lives, and if they have a past, they keep it to themselves. They are always on the positive, but it is through the great trials they may have had that helps others. One woman finally admitted to me that she had some trials, with cancer, but that was only after many hours of sewing together and getting to know one another. And child abuse, you can just forget it. I need to hear this stuff, it helps me, and comforts me. It is real stuff. This earth isn't heaven, why are they so blind to not see that? There are real hurting people, and those with experience are the best to have around.

    An abused woman would never be able to turn to others for comfort. Even an abused man. He would actually be in for it for not doing his job in his household. I'm only guessing here, but that is what I see.

    I've studied emotions, and it is impossible to suppress them, not without something leaking out over the side. And even in relationships, we are taught by our leader to never avoid conflict, for it can only perpetrate abuse. Never avoid conflict, it is a normal part of life. It really does cause more abuse.

    Anna Duggar needs to get it. She is holding back, she is not stating how she really feels, it is all lies. Even with my ex, he had pornography all over the house, and I was not to say anything. I could have taken him aside, wacked him with my frying pan. just kidding. No I could have expressed myself a lot better. But he didn't have a soul even so it wouldn't have worked.

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  5. I am glad you were able to say it. It sounds like your sister still has a conscience. Maybe when your mother dies, you two can have a relationship back again. Mine is a toxic who has lot her conscience to my mother. I used to love my sister dearly but the person she became is scary and that love is gone now. It's hard to explain to people how I used to have this sister I felt close to when really young and she disappeared. It's like I have a dead sister. Yes I feel this way in my mind. I even had a dream grieving her like she had died.

    The narcissists destroy multiple family relationships. With all attention on them the family members barely notice each other. I am glad your family admits your mother is horrible. Maybe they see her for what she is. My family they don't but I have a sociopath fooling with fake masks that are pretty thick. My brother admits she does not have a normal affect and even said my sister is "stunted and antisocial", but sadly he is still in with them. He tells me to forget everything and let it go of course. It makes you wonder why these women get everyone to kowtow to them even when people know they are mean and horrible. Mine has money to buy people off but Ive seen this happen where the money dynamics aren't even there. My sister's husband makes over 200,000 a year, she doesn't need money from my mother, but there she is a nice willing slave.

    I got tired of the sheltered people in the churches. I got the feeling anyone who had any grit in their life or hardships or no money knew they did not belong and long ago left. Especially in conservative evangelical churches--I attended IFB ones mostly, I never saw any divorced people or other childless, it was weird, like they all had scripted lives. Yes any past they would keep to themselves and keep secret. People have become more and more closed away, everything is to be hidden now. Getting to know someone seems to take so many years, but what happens when people constantly move and there is no longetivity to the relationships, I suppose everyone except a few close friends all stay strangers.

    Yes some will admit cancer but child abuse or any other, oh that is a taboo topic. I would rather they share things too. One friend told me people are too afraid of being hurt now, there is less trust so they simply don't disclose, but then I think it is more insidious then that, everything in narcissitic America is about looking good and showing off, and selling one's self, LOOK AT MY GREAT LIFE, so supposedly there's no troubles or anything. Some of them do think this world is heaven the way they talk and some of the ones who preach have a best life now and about God has a plan for their life, they are like Oprah, all your dreams will supposedly come true. Can you imagine apostles who got martyred being told that nonsense?


    Yeah in the churches if anything those who are abused are told they are "bad" and its their fault. An abused man would be told he is "weak" and can't keep his woman in line. Even admitting marital struggles in some places, women are deemed wantabe Jezebels. I agree Anna Duggar needs to get it. I think she cares more about appearances, she wants to be the good little church woman who takes back the 'sinner' when in reality from all appearances she is with someone with no conscience who was taught by his parents to learn how to appear good but not actually be good. It is all lies definitely.

    Yeah trying to say anything to the ones without souls is a waste of time. Same for my sister and mother, talking to brick walls. Nothing sticking. It will be the same with Josh Duggar. He only wants Daddy's approval to save face and for the money. So many fake people with nothing inside. I don't want to be one of them.

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  6. I don't know what will happen with my sister, perhaps we can have a future, but it will be weird seeing as this rejection happened, it will be hard to just forget it. And knowing that she put mother first will be the problem. To be around someone who cares so little for humans will be hard for me. Its too bad this happened to your sister. I know they put the narcs first, and they do what is demanded of them, like they are still children who won't grow up.

    Facing hardships is something people don't talk about anymore. We had one fella who came and spoke in our church, who said that he has been prosperous all his life, thus he was doing what he was supposed to do. He told us that when we behave God will bless us with endless blessings. I can imagine what the apostles in chains would have said. It is a difficult time we are living in, real people are in hiding basically. Its like with the narcs, we don't show ourselves so they won't have anything to use against us. This is being played out throughout society. Any hardships will be kept hidden. Everyone is supposed to be proud of the life God has given them.

    If I showed any emotion with my ex he would have used it against me. That was the way he was. Very crude, and he was prideful too. I took him in to see a therapist, and they told me to leave him, and the church told me to stay. You would think they would have cared for me and for the children, but we are to keep up the perfect appearance. Any groaning I did was sloughed off, there is to be no "complaining".

    I'm not sure even what complaining is supposed to mean. No one taught me that.

    Its weird how that even with your brother that they do admit the truth about the MNP. They just treat N as a sickness, and that we abandoning sick people. I know mother must be pretty bad now, she was the last time I saw her. She used to be somewhat functional as a pretend normal person, these days just unbearable. Before 2005 I was practically normal. Then she needed my help for she had none, and her boyfriend left. In just a few years she got me so scared of life, I needed a therapist to open the mailbox, for I was scared of bad news. Even my bank account I stayed away from. I was plain out scared of everything. At the very end mother was so sure I had cancer and told me that. So I was even afraid of doctors even.

    My NC was absolutely necessary. Nowadays, I don't check mailboxes or deal with money. I'm too scared too. If I had to take care of the bills around here, I'd be a mess. Before 2005 I was dealing with this stuff all the time, and managing bills, even on a very tight budget, without freaking out. Did I do this to myself? I don't think so. Did I wake up suddenly one day unable to function with no reason for it? But I get no compassion if I blame mother, thus I have to accept responsibility. So I guess then that it was my fault. And to have mother around when she has not even done her worst yet. But I am expected to hide all this to keep up appearances.

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  7. I agree with your sister, even if there is a future with her one day, you won't be able to forget she threw you overboard for your mother. I think the same of my siblings with one there is absolutely no future, she abuses me and treats me with the same utter disdain that my mother does so my NC with her is the same degree. I won't forget that when I was so sick in 2013, they put my mother and her stupid parties way above me.

    I know I can't be around the people who don't care. They never grow up and pleasing the narc is everything. If you saw my comment on the birthday card article, I am upset that all the children of the millennial generation in my family there isn't one rebel among them. It weirds me out. Like teens don't rebel anymore?

    Yeah hardships are supposed to be kept secret. Even in that last bad church at a prayer service when I admitted I felt overwhelmed without horrible details, you would have thought I ran down the aisle naked given the response. I can't deal with these emotionless people who never talk about anything deeper then the weather here. I wonder if I can find a happier place to be in America or maybe everywhere is turning into that. I'm not sure.

    Yes even my last pastor preached obey God and you will be blessed [in his life] Well I obeyed God and got away from my family and they get richer while we have more problems. I wasn't sure how to add that one up in my mind but then the apostles didn't have great jobs or houses too. What about all those people burned in Inquisitions who lost their jobs and social standing? I wonder what world some of these preachers live in. It's like life is one giant gloat a thon to them. Look at my money, look at my huge loving family.

    I think real people are scared. I feel like in my old town I could be me and a human, and even last night, my husband said there is nothing to go back to, thinking of the businesses that closed and people who moved away and died. I said I am dying spiritually around these people, I can't take it anymore. I see a few real ones here on occasion and some seem in hiding or they have real families they hide with, what do they need me for?

    I'm scared to talk to anyone and I didn't used to be like this, it worries me. Some may see it as developing better and stronger boundaries on one end but on the other I am just more repressed. I think society could be getting worse with this too.

    You summed up things well, "Everyone is supposed to be proud of the life God gave them". Do you mind if I turn that into an article? I often think how much in my life has been out of my control and it's like I'm a bad person that I didn't "fix my life".

    continuing

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    1. Yes my emotions were used against me too. It's not like I could call the family up crying or telling my mother, "you're a creep", she would only gloat and use it to call me "crazy" so a person can't win with the emotion-less narcs. Sorry you had an ex-husband like that.

      Yes the narcs are so prideful. I remember my mother on Facebook saying to my sister, "I am so proud of you and your children" over and over. Sure she was they were all trophies to her. Her daughter is puking into a toilet and starving herself but she is PROUD because of the appearances and "results".

      I am glad you left him. Yes the churches want women to be abused it seems. Now a lot of them are bringing in that patriarchy crap where women are supposed to be obedient slaves. That's what the Duggars follow. No it's about perfect appearances. After my husband's job losses in 2007 around 2008-9, we hit a rough patch, we were fighting, I wanted to move back and almost did without him. I counseled with a pastor and one other church member and kept my mouth shut with the rest, it was like I was Jezebel and a "loser" for having an unemployed husband. All they cared about were their perfect little lives.

      Yes many of them are big on not complaining. I had that lecture many times, "don't complain, the ironic thing often I felt like I was dying from my medical problems, abdominal pain and leg pain from the gates of hell, I would keep hidden, wanting to have friends and be "pleasant" and loved, so a lot of complaints were hidden and cut off. I was supposed to be perfect too, guess I failed.

      Yeah my brother admits the truth about my creepy sociopathic sister. After all she tried to stab him with a serving fork in high school. I wish she had gone totally feral but with everyone not getting hurt, it would be better then the quiet seething bad seed, who appears like the "perfect" mother everyone is proud of. I shudder thinking of the example she is providing puking her food up in toilets around two daughters.

      Hey I was abandoned while sick but I guess their sickeness matters more. No really its about the money. My brother had another huge pile of presents in front of the Christmas tree. In normal world 4 months out of work from a heart surgery means tons of late bills, and no Christmas presents so where did he get all this money. Even credit is finite? I know I need to tell myself not to worry about those things.

      Those engulfing mother types will make you scared of everything. So don't blame yourself. Of course the ignoring ones will make you afraid too. Mine wasn't afraid of anything and left me unprepared for the feelings of what severe poverty and dangers would bring. I guess other girls were taken care of. I sure wasn't. I hate the mail box too by the way. I pay bills but throw up, writing too huge rent check yesterday and the little dribbles and drabs sent to medical bills to keep from being sent to collections. I think your mother set that up. Her telling you that you had cancer is sick, but like she is getting another knife in your back. Yes so much of life seems hiding everything now. I told myself long ago, just tell the inner circle you are poor. I made a giant mistake even complaining of money problems to a self help group, anything bad happening to you know makes you a bad person. Or so they say....

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  8. There will be no future with my sister, it seems like mother will live forever anyway. Sorry to hear that about your sister too. They won, at least in this life. I wish we could get together and bake pies or something. My sister used to make pickles and everything, but from the last I hear, she is too tired to barely even open a can. Mother has gotten much worse with her abuse, and its not even covert anymore, she'll just tell you, and its scary.

    I saw the birthday card article, its interesting what your brother said about your sister. I wonder where he is getting the money to buy all those presents. Maybe he has a lot of credit cards, and they can get out of hand. I never rebelled against mother. I was too scared to. She used to say stuff like she'll crucify me for the slightest thing, I was very well behaved.

    I have a friend who now can talk to me about hardships in her family. Her son in law got very badly hurt right before Christmas, and there are money problems because of it. But it takes a long time. They only want to talk about blessings really. Maybe if I heard about this stuff more, things won't feel so hard, and I won't feel so alone. And relationship problems, gee, no everyone has the perfect spouse.

    Yep, they believe that when you live well God grants you everything. But they talk about it in terms of money. Its like God has to use money, or gold or silver to please people. I think everyone is turning into that, I'm very selective on friends and I don't join forces with the beer guzzling women around here. As a matter of fact a few years ago, at a party, everyone ignored me and so I just went home. I was called a snob, I'm not sure why. But back then even DH was different, he expected me to be independent of him, while he flounced around. Many, many fights and we have come to terms on things. Authenticity was the saving grace for me. Sure wish I could share that, it might help someone with a late in life relationship with a spouse who is too old to change. I wrote an article about that some time ago, I'm just too embarrassed to post it. Or I write too much on relationships. But its hard for an engulfed daughter, everything is.

    Sorry went off topic. Its hard when everyone is putting up a front and its nonsense. Real people can only bond in crisis. We don't bond in happy times. If I was talking happy things all the time, people ignore it, it gets boring. But they don't want to hear of struggles either, so what's the point?

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  9. Sure you can write an article about it. Anytime. I get depressed trying to organize my thoughts before I leave home, making sure I'm pleasing, it gets exhausting. I would rather be authentic. Its not like I look for people to solve my problems, just makes it better to talk about it is all.

    I'm so terrified of everything. I read in your blog once about a mammogram. That is coming up for me soon, never had one. I heard that its painful, and as always I'm afraid of bad news.

    Mother used to look at me, and say I needed to go see a doctor, I looked sick, and I wasn't, but she made me feel sick. She even said that she is sure cancer is in my body, and I won't know until its too late.
    I might have even got myself in trouble at church for talking to an elder, I'm so sure I said the wrong thing. I am very aware that I can be ACONed at anytime. Everyone misunderstands me.

    I understand the pain of poverty. Everything is so hard, its a type of trauma in itself. I used to have one friend to talk about it once. Its comforting to know that if you can talk about things, it can take away a lot of the pain. Otherwise your alone in it.

    When that movie "Carrie" came out I was a little kid and everyone called me Carrie. It became my nickname. I went to school and the kids called me that. My mother was a lot like her mother too, except my mother was more of a tramp than a "holy" woman.

    That's too bad about your sister. A woman of that age acting like a bulimic teenager, is strange.

    Yeah, what is it about complaining? Its just feeling sad and talking about it. Its morally wrong to keep people bottled up, we should be supportive of one another. I've been struggling my whole life, and its just now that I'm getting better. I used to be so confused. Maybe if I got to talk then I would have figured out things a lot sooner.

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  10. I understand regarding no future with your sister. There isn't with mine either. I may even let go of the nieces and nephews soon, the whole family is infected with scapegoating me and having disdain. I know with two nephews if I hear nothing from them. I'm not going to send them cards anymore. I wrote my email right on them. I feel like they won in this life too. You may see comments I wrote about God on my blog and maybe a later post. I prayed hard for God not to allow me to die destitute in this lifetime. Please don't me be put in shame among them was one of those prayers. I know this is some of the unanswered prayers I am upset about that if we found some security I would feel okay and not sure why this is being denied. I feel like my vampire mother will live forever too. She is not seeming to be a normal 70 year old who would be slowing down. Sad to hear your sister still takes your mother's abuse. My sister avoids mine and it helps she lives hundreds of miles away from her half a year and thousands the other half, but she still controls and directs her from afar. I doubt these flying monkeys even with more abuse will wake up.

    Yeah my brother sees through my sister, but even then remember he told me I needed to make nice and "that's just the way they are". Sickening and I was put down for the littlest of things. I wonder too about the money for all those presents, lets just say he probably learned well from my mother how to get by, if you get my drift. I know credit doesn't last forever so doesn't seem that would do it.

    I was well behaved as a teen but rebelled later. All hit against a brick wall. Nothing I said or didn't say was heard, you probably know what I mean.

    Glad you have one friend who is open with problems but even there, sometimes I would hear some people talk about illnesses and hardships and they always told me how they planned to "learn from it" or "God was in control". {like God wanted everyone to die and get sick} Yes I get tired of the ones who only want to talk about blessings. Give me some complainers. I told husband, I want a local friend with some fire and rebellion in their soul. LOL

    Yeah if people talked about real problems and weren't focused on appearing perfect all over, maybe we'd all feel less alone. Agree many act like their spouse was perfect. That puts pressure on marriages where your husband is supposed to be your perfect soul mate at every second and have a giant wallet and be able to fix anything. LOL

    Yeah God blesses those who are good and us "bad" people are the ones who have to go suffer because we do not have God's favor. That message was given loud and clear. I have felt that one over having no children. Agree with you being selective on friends. I can't be with the people who want to give face and talk about how great they and their always close knit families are. Half the time I'm yawning inside.

    Yeah that party stunk. I am glad you could become authentic. The people we can be are rare. We never could with the families obviously. Can you imagine a family where you could have been yourself? Its boring and depressing to be around people you can't be real around. It's a waste of time too because you stay strangers.

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  11. I wish we could meet too, you could help me learn how to bake. I've never made pie before even.

    Yes all the fronts are exhausting. If a person has visible disabilities, some are invisible, it is distressing because already my front has failed, on the first second they see me. I am afraid around people who only care about having good fronts. Agree about how real people bonding. I even bore myself, I go into a social mode here, where I talk about the weather or an art project or something "nice", but then I feel dead inside. I wonder why there is no real sharing or communication?

    Are they all that afraid of each other now? I tend to think its from all the damn competition. Everythings a competition. I hate sometimes forcing my mind into that social "nice" mode and am too bored and don't want to be bothered. Sometimes I want to do fun activities and not talk about anything "hard" too, and know people can't solve my problems but it's almost like you get afraid, if you even let them know one real opinion. :o

    Mammograms are painful. Not the worse pain though, getting out wisdom teeth was 100 times harder. yeah I shocked that woman. I learned to numb out pain. Is that good or bad. Mine came out negative but I had the sinking fear in the background, I will be thinking of you and hope it goes well.

    Sounds like your mother was projecting, maybe hoping you had cancer, then she could play martyr. Mine wanted me to die, but some of the narc mothers use family illnesses for attention. It sucks we have to worry about saying the wrong thing. I never fit into church culture. the first church they were nicer, but there was always that line for me. I never felt class wise or culturally I was like the other church people. And people say the 1950s were so stilted....

    I could deal with the poverty if I didn't feel so alone in it. I am glad you had a friend to talk about it with. I sometimes feel like we are the only ones struggling like this. I know we can't be, but everyone else is silent. They can maintain the appearances while we can't.

    I read that book Carrie all the time. Sorry they called you that. They must have realized something bad about your mother but should not have taken it out on you. Kids can be massively cruel. I am sure I got like names for being Aspie not just that particular one. I got called strange and other names when they weren't attacking the fat.

    Agree about complaining. Everyone is SO bottled up now. I feel like they are all afraid. Everyone lives afraid of a knife stuck in their back? What is the use of going through life always being fake? Everything is about showing off. What if you have nothing to show off? What is there to talk about then?

    I feel like if I got to talk I would have been better off. I'm facing the years of damage of living among silent people who never talked to me about anything except to yell and criticize.

    I don't feel like being repressed for these people around here not anymore. I figure why bother? Say what I want.

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    1. When the power went out all people talked about was how resourceful they all are. Was I the only one who crumbled? I wasn't all that during that time, all I felt was horrible. Some people here have generators, some don't. If you have a generator, you talk about how well off you are. Make others feel stupid for not having one. Those generators cost 10 thousand bucks, and I feel that a couple of days without electricity is not worth that anyway. That is my opinion.

      I we could talk about poverty it would end the painful stab in the heart. It would bring comfort. I believe there are too many memes that blame the victim, so everyone is out, not talking. Not only do we not get to talk, but we have to hide it from others, and somehow, bear up the shame. The world has gotten too narcissistic, and that means having lots of money, and show how you spend it.

      Yeah, everyone has such great spouses. One time I heard a friend's husband say something to her that was not nice at all. She ignored it. I hope she had called him on it later or something. But I doubt it. I see lots of little abusive situations going on with the men and the women, and I can see how the divorce rate is so high. I can see how little abusive situations can grow into huge horrible ones. I wish women could turn to eachother for support. But now, WE ARE PERFECT.

      The mask has to be fully placed. I remember my mother told me once when I was little that how marriages have one person that is in control. I asked her, "control over what?" It was funny that even in my childhood I knew better.

      Yeah, I was called Carrie. Mother even used to say, "People are going to be laughing at you." Oh well, that started my people pleasing life. That was a setup.

      Thanks for acknowledging all this.

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  12. I remember when the holidays were a time for fun and seeing the family members that you didn't close enough to to not have to drive hours to see. That camaraderie was the first casualty of my mothers undeclared war with the rest of us.

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    1. Yep they destroy everything. My sister prefers mother over me, and basically hiding from her at the same time. It makes no sense. But mother has her.

      But I remember those gatherings. My father was mainly responsible for getting together with people, not mother.

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  13. I must admit I got as far as forgiveness and quit reading. You can't forgive people who don't want to be forgiven because they don't think they've done anything wrong. Here I go again. But I think you know my story well enough to know that my mother raised us in horrible circumstances. And I think she thinks she did a good job. I never said a bad word to her or about her and the first time I did my disloyalty had to be silenced. Once and for all. I was "talking" to my sister the other day and she said she asked my mother if she missed having me and her around like when we were kids. And she told my sister Yes there is no one around to clean house.

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    1. Mine too, thought she did a good job. She wore the cloak of supermom, and everyone applauded her for it. So she is surprised at the thought have having done anything wrong. I was a tormented tool for so long. Its hard to escape out of. I'm sorry that stuff happened to you Q. So many people walk around in a blither of FOG, sometimes I think being aware isn't helping. It does help when I feel bad and I know exactly where that feeling is coming from though.

      Your sister is right. They don't miss us. Somehow we had adjusted our thinking into believing that they tried, they did their best, blah blah blah. These are just stories, so that we can feel loved, and wanted. That needs to come from us. We have to love ourselves and that is the key. I know mother never loved me, hated me actually, but that is her problem not mine.

      Good parenting teaches that the kids are to maintain love for themselves. Not unconditional love for mommy who want to do us dirt at every turn, that turn us into targets for the rest of the world to feed upon. I don't know why I had to experience that life. I feel such a waste of potential, not knowing until recently. I get frustrated at the thought of it.

      Your mother said that she misses someone around to clean the house. I can see how we can translate that into love, and that is the sickening part. I would have done that, more than a year ago. Awareness, puts reality into place.

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  14. As far as forgiveness goes, I don't believe its automatic. Something in your nervous system takes over. Did you know that you can't choke yourself to death for your brain stem won't let you? Not to say that people can't commit suicide but they have to overcome a lot to do it. Its not just do it.

    I just don't believe that we get to make as many choices as we think we do. We can lie to ourselves, sure, but it doesn't help when one day we stand up for judgement day and we tell God that we "forgave" this person and that person, and we lived a good life, and He asks us for the real truth. And I believe that God will be looking for the truth. Never did even love my ex-husbands for who they were, that was a lie. Maybe I'm just rambling here. There is just something about "choice". I never did love my mother for who she was, it was impossible, she was horrible, and I never did forgive her either, although I was saying I did. In order to do so would require me to be in total soul death.

    And these are just my opinions, I seem to be getting too philosophical in my old age. But forgiveness has to be real. And you have to mean it, you can't just say you mean it. But the church teaches that forgiveness is a choice. But I can't logically make that choice.

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  15. One of the reasons I drone on and on about what a horrendous life she perpetrated on me and my sister. Is that I think we are both pretty smart and if we could be taken in by their lies, anyone can and not to beat yourself up about it. I mean who expects that their own mother would under any circumstance have to treat them like mortal enemies but we do. I am back on keeping my life to myself except on the blogs because normal people can't fathom what it is like to have to treat your "loving" mother like she is radioactive waste

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  16. Yeah, we can't discuss truth with people. They seem to like robot people who say and do things to please. When I decided to live in authenticity, I discovered I have to be more holed up at home, with little outside contacts. Even a friend I like to talk to, it is mostly a guarded approach I take, and I am learning to know what to say to them.

    But if we believe the lies, that is what gets us screwed up. We can't figure out what's wrong anymore, and we find ourselves in a bottle or years on the couch. The real, real truth can't be talked about. That's just sad. And no one believes parents can be evil. My mother was so jealous of me. She used to say that I had the devil in me, talk about N projection.

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